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9:12 am January 14, 2009
| Kim Seng
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The Korea Taekwondo Association (KTA) held meetings with its judging officials and kukkiwon poomsae experts recently during early January 2009. The consensus view was that the current methods of scoring and criteria should be reformed and changed. The current scoring criteria is based on accuracy of movements and techniques which is allotted 50%; 30% to mastery (extent of movement, balance, power & speed); and 20% to presentation (rhythmn, tempo, tone & power and expression of ki.
The reform suggestions are to reduce accuracy allocation to 30% and increase allocation to 70% for experience and expressivity. Experience category entails balance, range of motion, speed and strength of movements, while expressivity involves fluidity, rhythmn, tempo and gi-hap.
The strategy is to increase focus on expressivity and experience and raising standards of poomsae. It is considered that the current criterion and scoring methods rewards stiff and robotic movements. Poomsae is not about producing a regurgitated set of movements from memory, but rather poomsae is an art form that requires unity between the mind and body and how this is being expressed.
Views and comments or feedback on this topic is welcome.
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9:07 am January 15, 2009
| koryo 1
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Another change. I suppose it is expected being newly implemented, and it will take some time to settle in – just like taekwondo sparring. I have watched the videos of the 1st and 2nd world poomsae championships, and I agree that it is starting to look the same from just about all the players, and some players do look robotic in their actions and movements. I haven't seen the 3rd world poomsae championships, but it would not surprise if they too look the same as the first two.
I think another area for the rule makers to consider should be that players cannot perform the same poomsae. At the moment players are picked to perform a pre-determined set of poomsae eg for the individual 2nd senior division, it is from Taegeuk 6 to Sipjin, and it is possible that more than one or more than a few can be performing the same poomsae, and not only in the same division but across all divisions. Over time this will become boring to watch – imagine watching the same poomsae and for the referees judging the same poomsae – it must get boring.
The rule makers should consider reforming the poomsae competition and make it more like creative poomsae with compulsory moves included, but generally with each individual player coming up with their own sets and own creative poomsae. This will make sure that no poomsae are the same. I enjoy watching the gymnastic competitions, and the routines performed by each gymnast in competition are different, such as for moves, balance, rhythm, expressivity etc are different. Similarly the springboard or high platform diving competitions.
Another consideration could be points to be awarded for degree of difficulty, eg a player performing a triple spinning kick off the ground could be awarded additional points. The current format does not have any spectacular techniques to show case taekwondo's beauty in its techniques in poomsae competition, we only see them perfromed in demonstrations.
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7:49 pm January 22, 2009
| Roy Khoh
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I would have to agree to some point.
I think robotic movements are okay – they look good, in certain circumstances and situations. Mainly because it creates a "powerful" look to it.
The thing that might feel really "robotic" about the poomsae competitions we're having is that they are all pre-set routines that even the audience knows what to expect. When there are competitions with say as little as 5 people in the same category … it becomes boring to watch because we know what's coming up, what's coming up next.
About the only thing that makes it exciting is if one or two people are exceptionally better than the others. Either with power, control and/or precision. Oh, and if someone screws up and makes a major mistake that might encourage "oohs" and "ahhs" from the crowd.
The traditional poomsaes are important to get students up to a certain standard/level of competence. I think major competitions should include these traditional poomsaes AND creatives as well. Not as a separate category – in the same entry.
Possibly, do 1 traditional TKD poomsae (or a series of them to cut down the competition) and maybe 1 or 2 rounds of creative pattern/s for finals (or semis).
Personally – I enjoy watching creatives – they're unpredictable, they showcase some really good combinations and some great moves, every so often. Additionally, if they do that in time with good, suitable, appropriate music … that just tops it all off.
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9:50 pm February 7, 2009
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For me, the major issue with poomsae right now is that the scoring system is so vague and complicated that it's impossible to judge with any consistency. I think KTA/WTF needs to reduce the number of criterias from 7 down to down to 3. Each criteria should be independent of each others and are easily differentiable.
Current system
A. Accuracy of Poomsae Technique
- Accuracy of basic movements (clear)
- Details of each Poomsae (vague) – is it measureable ?
B. Presentation
Skill
- Accuracy of range of movements (vague – duplication of A1)
- Balance (duplication A1)
- Speed and power (clear)
Expression
- Strength/speed/rhythm – Strenght/speed is duplication of B3, vague standardisation on rhythm (which lead to the mono-pace robotic movement)
- Expression of energy (Vague), redundant eastern mysticism, not measurable. Related to B3
Issues with current scoting method.
- Over complicated system, impossible to disiminate infomation to the judges, thus standardization will be difficult. Judges have their own interpretation of the rule because it's too difficult to understand.
- Too many criterias to remember, which leads to inconsistency.
- Duplication of criterias, penalizing in multiple areas. B2 & A1
- Vague/redudundant criterias A2, B7
- Scoring distribution is very narrow and inconsistent. 7-8.5
- Impossible to reach close to perfection. Impossible to score 0
- Because the system is inconsistent, a person's performance does not reflect their score.
- Inherite BIASED towards certain groups at World Championships.
Suggested change
- Simplify the RULES !!! KISS!!! Even for non player to understand.
- Only keep criterias that easily understandable, remove vagueness
- 3 criterias, indepedent of each others. Easily measureable (scoreable)
- Promote interestingness .. i.e reward difficult moves
- Allow freedom for creative interpretation of movement ( rhythm, tempo ) as long as it's within the scope of the accuracy of the movement. This would lead to the promotion of creativity ..
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10:04 pm February 7, 2009
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7:50 am January 25, 2010
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The judging at the 4th World Poomsae championships has added new criteria for the deduction of specific error areas by 0.5 points deductions:
on Accuracy:
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant’s performance does not correspond to the WTF regulated movement – e.g. wrong movement or omitting a movement.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time when the contestant misses a ki-hap or ki-haps in the wrong place or at the wrong movement point.
- 0.5 point will be deducted if the starting position differs from the ending position by more than one foot (means the length of the player's foot) allowance.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant makes an unnecessary noise in a stance or stepping foot – except where a jitt-zik-gi movement exists.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant makes mistakes such as pausing in their movements for more than 3 seconds.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant performs a jitt-zik-gi movement without enough power and sound.
on Presentation:
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time eye focus or breathing is not corresponding to the movement or motion.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant express power and speed with a lack of fluency in movement.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant loses balance in performing a required movement or the extent of the movement is not appropriate.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant performs the movement with a lack of flexibility.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant exceeds the time limit.
- 0.5 point will be deducted each time a contestant crosses the boundary line.
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